Impersonate Remarks Continues: Bihar's Plight Is Bihari's Plight !

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Addendum-1(B), To:- Maharastra: The New Bihar...

This is continuum to my series, Addendum-1- To:Maharashtra:The New Bihar............ The delay in this post of mine as commited in my last post Addendum-1(A)-To:...is regretted. How hot and impersonate the debate has turned into is the essence and spirit that my valuable readers should weigh and comment referring to Rajdeep's Blog. Please click the Link: http://www.ibnlive.com/blogs/rajdeepsardesai/1/21609/maharashtra-the-new-bihar.html

Ashok Sharma Mr.Rajdeep,........I truly believe that positive media will play "the most important role" in realizing the dream of all Indians-As developed nation. This statement holds true for Maharastr a as well as for Bihar........

( Posted: Saturday , September 23, 2006 at 11:39) .........v indians r masters in this, v dont accept the truth and try to cover it up with false, vague and brittle thoughts. i dont think anybody needs to do a research to comment about Bihar's current status, the problem is instead of working upon the solution, ppl from bihar try to cover their distress. m a maharashtrian and accept the fact that maharashtra is depleting. i guess v shud have a blog suggesting measures about reviving the state rather than behaving like typical hypocrite indians.

( Posted by vijayraj on Friday , October 06, 2006 at 11:42 ) Well commented ! Bravo,Mr.Vijayraj !! We as citizens of INDIA should and must continue till the last nail is hammered into the coffin of hypocritic and sedentary people's dominance in our society and may we or for that matter our 'generation-next' may see the dawn of a 'civilised' society.Thank you again !!! ( Posted by D.K.BHANJA on Friday , October 06, 2006 at 13:20 ) Mr.Kishore's response.......

Due to people like you Mr Bhanja,we had one Punjab and we are having another kashmir. But Dude, we are not going to ask for another state like them. We feel that India belongs to us. So, for any ill statement of your, we shall slap you and say 'Thank You for your comment but we dint like it'. I do not know whose coffin you are talkin about but the genx would certainly not see the civilised world till sadists and morons like you are consuming oxygen who find pleasure in denouncing others without any reason. I hope you would realize this and mend your ways. And you better do that. ( Posted by kishore on Friday , October 13, 2006 at 01:33 ) My reply...... Dear Mr.Kishore, My reply was to Mr.Vijayraj's response to general Indians,hence my words should have been taken in that context only.Your impersonate and rude insults on me was unwarranted for.You should be thankful to IBN-live website for their rendering freedom to your reply ! Please,tune-up, your carburater, clean-up your 'exhaust' of powerful 'scientific and literary genius' with PMA and 'Tolerance' ! Why vent your curse on me here.Was it for perhaps my response to your earlier 'post' ? Do you understand that unconsciously you are de-oxygenating every molecule of carbon-dioxide with an atom of oxygen, through your choked mental-exhaust and that, that deadly gas, can lull you and your so called genx to eternal sleep ! Forget about my consuming oxygen,I am hardly concerned about my life ! I am only concerned about 'pure air' (free from your exhausts) for a 'Healthy-Gen-Next' and you, to inhale and grow.

"RELIGION WITHOUT SCIENCE IS BLIND;

SCIENCE WITHOUT RELIGION IS LAME."

=SIR ALBERT EINSTEIN=

'TOLERANCE AND TRUTHFULNES are the prime and vital virtues for a genuine 'Scientist/Tachnocrat' ! ( Posted by D.K.BHANJA on Friday , October 27, 2006 at 15:47 )

Addendum-1(A), To:- Maharastra: The New Bihar...

I had not thought it important, to put this reply to Mr.Kishore, in my site, but am drawn to do so today, for reasons may better to be understood, in my next post that should follow soon.

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kishore

So, congratulations for the discoveries that you have found with the state called Bihar. Oh, did I forget that a lot of people have also found the same time and again about this state. Did I inadvertently put you in the category of common reporters. Oh ! I am so sorry Rajedeep. Rather than putting you in the same league as Barkha dutt and Pranav Roy , I found you in the heap of commoners. But then I was trying hard to find out some out of the line reporting by you that I really missed. For instance, a lot of people like you talked about poverty in bihar. But did you point out even once in your career that why Bihar is poor after 60 yrs of independence. Central apathy! Remember congress ruled it for 40 yrs. Pathetic congressi government. It does not have a good educational institute like IIT , IIM, AIIMS, even if 10% of countries population stays there. Doesnot that tell you something. Now, how do you expect people to become scientists if you dont give them good institutes. And if there are not a lot of engg or docs or educated people , there surely would be poverty. Not too difficult to fathom. Huh, you couldnot.

( Posted: Friday , September 22, 2006 at 06:50 )

My response....

Dear Mr.Kishore,

I beg to differ from your comments on Mr.Rajdeep and calling him a common reporters, and comparing him with people which you could have very well avoided, if you had truly wished to ventilate owes and miseries of Bihar as a neglected state by the centre or for that matter the congress govt. Is it not true that Bihar got utmost political heed through political fostering of the congress all through these post-independence-era, in comparison to most other states ??? What Mr.Rajdeep has put in record is the sordid state of affairs that Maharashtra faces today. This, you will agree as blatant but bitter truth. Nowhere has he denounced Bihar, through-out his article. If atall he did any, it was advertantly his own state of Maharashtra. This article has rather percussed the both, one of the 'Worst' and supposedly the 'Best' and given vent to entire INDIA to ventilate constructively. The courageous essence of the article distinguishes the writer from other two journalists who you have compared to.

( Posted by D.K.BHANJA on Saturday , September 23, 2006 at 13:07 )

Thanking you.

Addendum-2(A), To:- Maharashtra... :-INDIAN Federalism "Today" And "Tomorrow"......

Continues the debate, with rising heat, denegrated now to impersonate arguments.

Given below, response to my reply by Mr.Pataniya vide post:- Addendum-2-to: Maharashtra....INDIAN Federalism............., and my response there-to, for valued readers of my site. As usual, pls. click the link below; http://www.ibnlive.com/blogs/rajdeepsardesai/1/21609/maharashtra-the-new-bihar.html

Bhanja Whichever you talk, you come across as a Bihar hater. So if a Bihari works hard, it is his necessity, not his nature. If he is poor........... ( Posted by Pataniya Babu on Sunday , October 22, 2006 at 23:42 )

Dear Mr.Pataniya Babu,

Thanks a lot for your response.However it is unfortunate, that a seemingly educated and a people of a 'class' like you, who,............ complimented as a 'Bihar hater'!.................................please refrain from using silly 'similies' of Nazi !..........................Both of us(perhaps) are 'travellers' of the same 'boat'.......... being cursed to, till today, due to ....................................'Federalism', in 'India', is not as explicit as that of US, but...........Let's all help 'ignite', "The Ignited Mind" (With due honour to our Hon.President's book), ..................

Thank you again .

( Posted by D.K.BHANJA on Monday , October 23, 2006 at 12:42 )

Mr.Pataniya Babu responded.....

So India's federal character allows anyone to use Bihar as an epithet. Biharis should lie supine and accept the bile in the name of 'federalism'. He should not complain. Having been forced to give up his language and culture and become a Hindi speaking state, he should now let the Bhanjas and Sardesais of the world keep cursing him.If he protests, he becomes 'seemingly' educated. Why? Because he is quesitoning the divine right of Bhanja to kick him. Bihari is the poorest - period. Right?Just for the record, read 'Integration of Indian States' by VP Menon to read in detail how Bihar was among the best administered states and how it contributed to India's federalism. This is in addition to the Appleby report of 1958.

( Posted by Pataniya Babu on Tuesday , October 24, 2006 at 11:09 )

My reply......

Dear Mr.Pataniya Babu,

Thank you again for your critical appreciation of my response.However,"Logic has the typicality of going into 'A Never-Ending' spree" ! You can 'win an argument' but never a 'heart'!

Reference of Mr.Menon's book and the referred report of 1958 by you, I am glad, justified my assessing how 'educated,cultured and well-read' you are. But I'm dismayed, how you missed my saying "Both of us(perhaps) are cursed, to be travellers of the 'same boat'."

I am neither a blind-supporter of Mr.Sardesai nor am a Maharashtrian. I am an ardent lover of our country’s 'Unity In Diversity' that the Globe 'Crowns' it to be. Bihar's cultural riches and it's role in the 1942-Quit-India-Movement and in India’s freedom-struggle, adores the pages of history.

Bihar is not a State only of yours but an Integral part of our India. So my heart always bleeds(I had mentioned earlier), when I see people(be they from any state) forced to flee their beloved, birth-State, 'poverty-stricken'.

Bihar wanted change for 'better-governance', and your CM as been rated as the best, By this CNN-IBN !!!

India shall be 'Richer', if it's 'Economic-Capital', Bihar and every State, all are 'Richer'.

Love !!!

( Posted by D.K.BHANJA on Friday , October 27, 2006 at 18:42 )

Hotly Debated, Maharashtra The New Bihar(contd).

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Addendum-2-To:-Maharashtra... :-INDIAN Federalism "Today" And "Tomorrow"......

This is further to my earlier post :-Addendum-1 To :-Maharashtra.......

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Please click the link below for details, http://www.ibnlive.com/blogs/rajdeepsardesai/1/21609/maharashtra-the-new-bihar.html Dear Mr.Pataniya Babu, Thanks a lot for for your response. However it is unfortunate, that a seemingly educated and a people of a 'class' like you, who, I had addressed (with due respect) to, in my comment, I have been complimented as a 'Bihar hater' ! With due respect to you again, for God's sake, please refrain from using silly 'similies' of Nazi !! I owe you, however to have given me a space to express my-self. Both of us (perhaps) are 'travellers' of the same 'boat' being cursed to, till today, due to 'regional-colonialism' and bias of all sorts. When we all are expected to stand 'United' for a 'United-India', today,we must not throw garbage in the name of 'regional-patriotism'. "Federalism", in 'India', is not as explicit as that of US, but in no way 'fragile or brittle' !! INDIA's 'Federalism', is engraved in letters of 'gold', in the 'spirit' of 'UNITY IN DIVERSITY'. That 'spirit' is what I tried to express while referring to Rajdeep's Blog. Let's all help 'ignite', "The Ignited Mind' (with due honour to our Hon.President's book), and let's all be brave enough first, to 'Accept A Spead A Spead'.It's easier saying 'call a spead a spead', than put it into practice. Thank you again a lot.

Addendum-1 To:- Maharastra: The New Bihar...

I had noted how hotly debated was this blog of Mr.Rajdeep, while publishing it earlier in this site.

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Today, I am posting two of my replies, to one poster Mr.Bikas and another Mr.Vijayraj, on the said blog, that I hope shall interest you.

Bikas, Hello Mr sardesai,It is really strange when people criticise such hard working community like Biharis.It either shows the kind of education they have got or some hidden alterior motive, like in this case.Sorry Mr. Sardesai but it really pains me when I see media being politicised................ since you hold cognisance with the thoughts of a certain political party.And Bihar was among the top ruled states in not so distant past. ( Posted: Tuesday , September 26, 2006 at 19:31 )

My reply....

"In this blog I had expressed how and why Bihar is no way being denounced by Rajdeep.In 1997 Bihar was the poorest state in INDIA. When was Bihar the top ruled state ? With due respect to all it's 'genius' and 'famed' people in all spheres of life, Biharis are found everywhere in India, mostly as hard working 'unskilled' workers, migrated mainly to earn their lively-hood.This emphasises everything. Excepting a few, most others, work as 'slaves'. Being hard-working is their compulsion not natural. My heart bleeds whenever and where-ever I see them. Mumbai is INDIA'S Economic-Capital and if it's degeneration has been compared with that of one of the most back-ward states, it has to be taken with true spirit, as it is only MAHARASHTRA that is really being 'denounced' and not Bihar or Biharis. Let's learn to accept first the 'Truth' and 'Facts', as our first and fore-most 'Duty', as an INDIAN whose 'NATIONAL-MANTRA' is 'SATYAMEVA JAYATE'. May all regional 'bias and clonialism' end, with the 'MEDIA' leading the way in building INDIA'S 'Federal-Equilibrium'. This should be their 'prime endeavour' at this crucial hour, as 'chaos,confusions and unrest' is in abundance everywhere."

( Posted by D.K.BHANJA on Thursday , October 05, 2006 at 05:47 ) Ashok Sharma, Mr. Rajdeep, I have always appreciated your thoughts earlier but this time I am really upset.What are you trying to project? Look at the people's comment here and you will come to know that your article has done no good to Maharastra or Bihar, infact, it is successful in planting the thought of regionalism. Stop this Bihar (any other state for that matter) bashing for no reason. If you were really serious in bringing the plight of Maharastrian you need not have to bring in Bihari angle to prove your point. I truly believe that positive media will play "the most important role" in realizing the dream of all Indians - A developed nation. This statement holds true for Maharastra as well as for Bihar. I would love to visit your blog again when you come up with a really positive news article, which could be inspired by your journalist friend who may or may not hail from Bihar. ( Posted: Saturday , September 23, 2006 at 11:39 )

vijayraj's reply to Mr.Ashok Sharma.....

i think u all r missing the point...v indians r masters in this, v dont accept the truth and try to cover it up with false, vague and brittle thoughts. i dont think anybody needs to do a research to comment about Bihar's current status, the problem is instead of working upon the solution, ppl from bihar try to cover their distress. m a maharashtrian and accept the fact that maharashtra is depleting. i guess v shud have a blog suggesting measures about reviving the state rather than behaving like typical hypocrite indians. ( Posted by vijayraj on Friday , October 06, 2006 at 11:42 )

My reply......

"Well commented ! Bravo, Mr.Vijayraj !!

We as citizens of INDIA should and must continue till the last nail is hammered into the coffin of hypocritical and sedentary people's dominance in our society and may we or for that matter our 'generation-next' may see the 'dawn' of a 'civilised' society.

Thank you again !!!"

( Posted by D.K.BHANJA on Friday , October 06, 2006 at 13:20 )

Maharashtra: The New Bihar

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Your comments are wel-come ! Rajdeep Sardesai Friday , September 15, 2006

A journalist friend from Patna was recently transferred to Mumbai. During his many years in Bihar, I often wondered how he coped with a daily dose of murder, kidnapping, death, disease (and of course, Laloo). "This is Bihar my friend, not your Maharashtra!" he would remind me. A few days ago, soon after the Malegaon blasts, he smsed : "Your Maharashtra has become like my Bihar!" Even allowing for a little exaggeration, the "Biharisation" of Maharashtra is no longer a flight of fancy. Sure, Maharashtra isn't a basket case, but cut through the legacy of social progressiveness and rapid industrialisation, and the bright lights of the Mumbai-Pune-Nashik golden triangle rapidly begin to dim. The glitter of corporate India cannot mask the fact that many parts of the western Ghats increasingly resemble the violent chaos and deprivation that characterizes large swathes of the Gangetic plains.

Poverty? Bihar's poverty line figures are undoubtedly much higher, but several districts in Maharashtra can be statistically compared to the BIMARU belt. Maharashtra is India's most industrialized state,contributing almost 14 per cent of the national industrial output. But more than 50 per cent of the state's gross domestic product is still accounted for by the Mumbai-Thane-Pune industrial belt. Indeed , the much higher per capita income of Maharashtra cannot mask the ever-sharpening intra-regional inequalities. Just step a 100 kilometers outside Mumbai into Thane's Jawahar taluka and encounter tribal children who are dying of starvation. An affidavit filed in the Bombay high court last year claimed that as many as 35,000 children in Melghat in Amravati district were severely malnourished, and more than 5,000 had died in the last decade.

Unemployment? Yes, in absolute terms, unemployment is much higher in Bihar, but the rate of growth of unemployment in Maharashtra has steadily crept up, and is now officially seven per cent, with five lakh unemployed persons being added to the list every year in the state. The Employment Guarantee scheme that was once celebrated as a model for the rest of the country is now a classic case of how state sponsored schemes can go horribly wrong. And while the service sector grows, the noisy malls cannot mask the fact that Mumbai's textile mills have fallen silent, as indeed have the looms of Malegaon and Bhiwandi.

Agrarian distress? Even given the plight of the marginal farmer in Bihar, fewer farmers commit suicide in Bihar than in Maharashtra, this in a state where almost 65 per cent of the population is still dependent on agriculture and allied activities. The figures given by the Vidarbha Jan Andolan Samiti are truly staggering. Since June last year, more than 800 cotton farmers have reportedly committed suicide, with nearly 200 occurring in the last eight weeks alone since the prime minister visited Vidarbha and announced a relief package. Take away the rural prosperity of the sugarcane farmers of western Maharashtra, and the incomes of the state's agrarian sector shows a sharp decline in every other region. Not surprising when even now, more than sixty per cent of the irrigated area is the monopoly of the politically influential sugar belt.

Economic mismanagement? Bihar's treasury may be empty, but Maharashtra too has little to be proud of. The state's debt has now reached a staggering Rs 1.15 lakh crores and the fiscal deficit of the state has risen sharply from 2.8 per cent of the GDP in the early 1990s to 5.8 per cent at the turn of the century. While revenue expenditure grew at an average of 15 per cent per annum in the last decade, capital outlays increased at just four per cent. You've heard of teachers not being paid salaries for years in Bihar? Well, in Maharashtra too, the state government is finding it difficult to pay their professors on time.

Collapsing infrastructure? Maharashtra's roads are closer to resembling Hema Malini's cheeks than Bihar's ever will be, but again, the shining Mumbai-Pune highway doesn't quite tell the story of the remote corners of the state, or for that matter, Mumbai city itself, whose potholed roads have now become not just the matter of public interest litigation, but a national joke. Mumbai's crumbling infrastructure, in fact, is symbolic of a state machinery that has simply been unable to meet the challenges of the time. While its unlikely that you will ever confront the power cuts in Maharashtra that are taken for granted across Bihar, the fact is that in a once power-surplus state, the state electricity board has had to resort to widespread load-shedding. Travel through Marathwada or Vidarbha, and six to ten hour power cuts are routine. Even in urban pockets, two hours of power cuts are now par for the course.

Crime? Ok, so doctors aren't kidnapped every day in Maharashtra, but while Bihar's goons operate in a more primitive environment of capital accumulation, Mumbai's underworld has developed far more sophisticated means of running mafia-like operations, be it in managing real estate or in controlling extortion rackets. Worse, while Bihar's criminals might still use the old-fashioned gupti, Mumbai's dons have brought in the AK-47 culture into the heart of the state. From Haji Mastan to Dawood Ibrahim through to the terror gangs of today, the criminalisation of the state has moved from smuggling gold to smuggling RDX with ridiculous ease. That no other city in the world has seen as many terror attacks as Mumbai in the last decade is further proof that the state's coastline is now an arms-friendly destination.

Naxalism? We haven't had a Jehanabad like audacious strike in Maharashtra, but the geography of Naxalism does have the state's border districts of Gadchiroli and Chandrapur as important centres. The base may be small, but the fact is that there is corner of Maharashtra where Naxal groups have a persistent influence.

Social harmony? While Maharashtra prides itself on the Phule-Shahu-Ambedkar legacy as having defeated the forces of casteism, the state has unleashed a Frankenstein's monster in the shape of communalism. Caste may be the dominant divide in Bihar, in Maharashtra it is now increasingly community consciousness. The rise of the BJP-Shiv Sena alliance through the 90s is testimony that Maharashtra's polity has been susceptible to communal agendas. The subsequent rise of local Muslim extremist groups - many of them linked to terror outfits -- is proof of how a vicious cycle of hatred and revenge can rapidly spiral out of control. If there hasn't been communal violence after the Mumbai and Malegaon blasts, it isn't because of the state's secular spirit, but simply because a mix of fear and fatigue has left the average citizen feeling helpless.

Declining political culture? Bihar's politicians may be stigmatized as populist and corrupt, but Maharashtra's new breed aren't very different. From the disastrous handling of the Dabhol project to the idiotic campaign against dance bars, the state's ruling elite has shown a knack of getting their priorities misplaced.

As for corruption, lets get it straight: the 30,000 multi-crore Telgi stamp scam which flourished under successive Maharashtra governments makes Laloo's fodder scam seem like loose change. Most top Maharashtra politicians today are either real estate sharks or co-operative chieftains, often both. In no other state have the means of rural and urban capital been so effectively linked, manipulated and monopolized by a handful of leaders as in contemporary Maharashtra. Is it any wonder that some of the wealthiest politicians in the country come from the state?

Indeed, islands of prosperity amidst a growing sea of despair is now how one must see Maharashtra. It is ironical that in this age where state governments have become more competitive, the one state which was ideally placed to exploit the opening up of the economy should be losing out.

My journalist friend from Bihar often used to contrast the present crisis of Patna with the glories of the Pataliputra empire. Maybe, Maharashtra too is now caught in a time warp, surviving on past splendor and not on present accomplishments. Posted by Rajdeep Sardesai at 15 : 58 hrs

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